The Wall is Down


Two years ago I had a great job at a good church. I had served in children’s ministry for 30 years and was making a good salary at an influential church in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I had helped the church grow from 1,000 people to over 5,000 members. At 52, I should have been content to coast into retirement, but instead, I resigned my position to plant a new church in the Twin Cities.

I now make half the salary I used to make. Last year Debbie and I sold our dream home that we built ten years ago and moved into an 800 square foot condo. On the surface, it seems like I am going backwards.

When people find out that I am planting a new church, I get a lot of questions.

  • Why did you quit your job?
  • Why would you start over at 52?
  • Why do we need another church?

Regardless of the question, my answer is the same, to borrow the words of Nehemiah, “The wall is down.”

Around 454 BC, Nehemiah received permission from Artaxerxes to rebuild the wall. When he arrived in his homeland he shared his vision.

“But now I said to them, you know very well what trouble we are in. Jerusalem lies in ruins, and its gates have been destroyed by fire. Let us rebuild the wall of Jerusalem and end this disgrace!”

The Jews in Jerusalem were content to live in a war zone for 70 years. This was a disgrace, not only to the children of Israel, but it was a disgrace to Almighty God. As long as Jerusalem was in ruins it didn’t look like there was a God in Israel, or He wasn’t a very big God.

Why am I planting a new church?

I have seen so many kids grow up in church and then leave the church its heartbreaking. If the church is losing 80% of our kids, at some point we have to ask ourselves, is there a better way to do this?

I was part of good church. We had an awesome KidMin program and an amazing Youth Ministry, but we were still losing 80% of our young adults when they turned 18.

This problem is not unique to my church. This is an epidemic. The church in America is losing the next generation and yet we continue on like this isn’t a problem.

The following quote by Andy Stanley pretty much sums it up.

“Similarly, every pastor I know is concerned about the alarming number of eighteen to twenty-five-year-olds who drop out of church, never to return. But there is no mystery why they drop out. I’m convinced they dropped out because nothing compelled them to stay!….To say it another way, the group responsible for connecting eighteen to twenty five-year-olds to local congregations are the catalysts for driving them away. That’s just tragic. They didn’t intend to drive them away. That was not their purpose. But every weekend in this country something trumps the good intentions and lofty purposes of the average local church.”

Deep & Wide, Pages 230-231

I agree with Andy.

  • This is tragic, not only for our kids, but for the Kingdom of God.
  • If the trend continues, what is the future of the church?
  • What will the church look like in ten years? Or twenty years?

Every vision is a solution to a problem. For Nehemiah the problem was that the wall was in ruins. The solution was to motivate the Jews to rebuild the wall. For us, the problem is the church in America is losing the young adults that grow up in church. The solution is to seek out those that left.

Our Vision for Family Church is four-fold.

1. Seek And Save The Lost

In the parable of the Lost Sheep, the shepherd left the ninety-nine to seek out the one. The question before me was, “Will you leave the twenty to seek out the eighty?” The best way to find out why young adults are leaving the church is to seek them out and ask them. The first thing I did was track down young adults who grew up in my KidMin, but no longer attend church

2. Create A Culture of Understanding

One of Steven Covey’s, “Seven Habit’s Of Highly Effective People” is “Seek to understand, then be understood.” What if we apply this principal with our eighteen to twenty-five-year-olds?

When I caught up with those that had left church I didn’t preach to them. I asked questions. I didn’t come to give understanding. I came to seek understanding. Admittedly this was a new thing for me. I knew how to preach, but I was not very good at listening to other people’s opinions.

The first question I asked was, “How come you don’t attend church anymore?”

This is what I discovered:

  • They still believe in God, but they don’t believe in church.
  • They feel like they can never measure up, so why try.
  • They feel that leaders will not listen, that there is no room for differing opinions.

Many parents of adult children view the children that have left church as prodigals. Our thinking goes something like this; eventually they will repent and come home to Father’s House.

I’d like to pose a question; what if we need to change, so that our adult children want to come back to church?

Are we humble enough to change how we do church? Are we willing to take the time to listen and understand?

  • Why is understanding so powerful?
  • When you understand, you don’t judge.
  • When you don’t understand, you do judge.

3. Build a Platform For Young Leaders

Young Leaders want to lead.

One response I heard from young adults was something like this: “There was a lot of good ideas and great sermons, but there was no room for my ideas, so I left.” We forget that our kids we are teaching grow up. It’s not good enough to have a great kids program and cutting edge youth ministry if we don’t have a plan for our kids when they become adults. They don’t want to sit at the kid’s table anymore. Our young leaders want to lead. For me this means surrounding myself with young leaders. It also means that our vision is not for just one church plant, but for many churches.

Many churches are planting multiple satellite campuses, but there is still one guy doing all the preaching. The only problem with this is that our young preachers don’t get opportunities to preach.

Once our church hits 500 people, I plan to turn it over to an associate pastor, take 50 people and go plant another church with a young pastor. There is a big harvest out there. We are going to need thousands of new churches.

4. Family Services

One of the problems with the church in America is that families are rarely together at church. In fact most people do not see church time as family time. This is especially true at mega churches. At some churches it’s possible for a child to graduate from high school and never worship in the sanctuary with his or her parents.

I find it interesting that many churches in Asia and South America are experiencing revival and families are usually together.

I’m not saying that we should not have Kidmin programs, but I do feel that the church in America is out of balance.

At Family Church our vision is to do both. Yes, we will have a Kidmin program, but we also have Family Services once a month where everyone is in the sanctuary.

Our strategy is to build a church that honors all generations and recognizes that everyone has something to give regardless of his or her age. The worship team has representation from every generation: kids, teens and adults. Our worship leader is 19 years old. We will have short films, drama and preaching that appeal to all generations.

If Hollywood can make movies that families enjoy together, why can’t the church create services where families experience God together?

  • Will it work?

The honest answer is “I don’t know yet.” I am still walking it out. I don’t have all the answers, but I am sincerely seeking the answers. I invite you to subscribe to my blog and follow our progress at

In conclusion, I’d like to ask a question. The other day a friend said to me, “Mark, there are a lot of people watching you”.

My question for you is, Do you want to just watch or do you want to be part of a movement that changes how we do church in America?

There are three ways you can help.

1. Come to our “Big Day” Sunday, March 2nd.  If you live in the Twins Cities you can help by coming to the relaunch of Family Church.

2. If you are looking for a home church, we have a place for you!

3. Support Family Church financially. Consider making a one time gift or a re-occurring gift on a monthly basis for 12 months.


6 thoughts on “The Wall is Down

  1. Arvo P-L says:

    Hi, Mark. We came to one of your SuperChurch conferences around 1989. One of the things that was going on in that church was that everyone was being trained for ministry. I think that’s why that version of the curriculum was so powerful because it created opportunity for kids to develop their own ministries. It’s a philosophy that we continue to espouse. Our church plant’s vision is to be a church that walks in love, truth, and power, and is a seedbed of ministry. We got that “seedbed of ministry” idea from you.

    When were at that conference (I remember seeing DC Talk’s first video in the cafeteria there) we were shown around the Youth Center and told about what was going on there. The tour guide said that 87% of the high school graduates were going on into FULL TIME MINISTRY! Did I miss something? Was that true then, but not now?

    We share you concerns.

    • Super Church says:

      I’m not sure who quoted that statistic but that is not the case. however I do find that when kids/teens get involved in ministry the percentages increase dramatically – 50% – 60% will stay in church.
      Thanks for asking.

  2. John Burzynski says:

    Hey Mark,
    I hear you. i would come to your opening but I am 300 miles away. I do agree about the “problem”, but I don’t think the solution is to put a youth or “modern” slant to the methods. I think that giving the opportunity to belong, participate and lead are key. The ages of people that lead worship or the methods like videos or dramas are not the answer, using a different wrench to tighten the bolt only helps if there is a loose bolt. We need to be true to the basics of Gods Word and be prepared to throw out preconceived perceptions of “church”. We will pray for you. I am refreshed (at 57) to know you are willing to start over in obedience to the call. God Bless You and your wife.

  3. Lisa says:

    OMG!!! Dear Pastor Mark, I have a son who is about to turn 24, he was practically born on the back row of the church! He was raised in church, served in church, at church every time the door was open because Im on staff and also raised in church the same way…..BUT i have heard those very words come out of his mouth, verbatim !!! I have heard other young adults say the same thing!!! I believe you have heard from God and I also want to reevaluate how we do church. I am a firm believer that we are to be like Jesus and go after the one!!!!!!

  4. sj shee says:

    Hey Mark, My children grew up in the church you left. We have since left also. My 17 yr old is ‘anti’ church. He is resistant to even talking about church. He feels it was crammed down his throat, so to say. I’m standing for him, that he will return, but we haven’t found a solid church to attend yet. Wish I lived closer to your new church, sounds like what we need!

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